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Art Sync: The Deep End

Conversation with Elizabeth Geiger

by Elizabeth Johnson, edited by Matthew Crain

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Fruit, Cabbage, And Recorder, 36" x 30", Oil On Linen

Elizabeth Johnson: Your previous still lifes and landscapes were realistic. Your recent paintings use Cubist formats and tropes. What made the change? Are you still doing landscapes? Are you focusing only on interiors for this show?

Liz Geiger: When I started painting, I was wide-eyed and open to anything and everything. Subject matter wasn’t as important as learning how to paint, how to make light and space. I worked only from observation and looked mostly at observational painting, which seemed natural being married to a realist painter. Later, I tackled composition, studying old composition books by the armload from The University of Virginia library. Understanding composition took years. And I’m still trying to understand it. I focused on still lifes because I liked to experiment and control the elements of artmaking: the lighting, the composition, the palette. I started painting outside as a break from studio setups and to make myself work faster and more intensely. Painting landscapes helped my still lifes, forcing me to simplify and organize. I tell myself, “When I get tired of still lifes, I’ll go back outside.” But that never happens. The more I dig in, the more obsessed I become with still lifes. 

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Van Schooten Still Life After Braque, 22" x 32", Oil On Linen

LG: What changed me was George Nick’s class at UVA in 2013. Our homework was to paint using “the wrong colors.” This threw me. But I clumsily began experimenting. After a year of doing this on my own I thought, “If I can distort the colors, why can’t I distort the shapes?” That is when I began seriously studying Braque and Modernist painters, which I’d always liked but couldn’t access or steal from. This transition was like learning a new way to walk: it was so open-ended and unpredictable, it contradicted all of my habits. I’d reached the point where I’d sigh inwardly at the thought of having to paint what I’d set up: I already knew what it would look like. George said, “That’s DEATH to a painter! You’re going to stop painting!” He was right, of course, but I didn’t know what to do about it. Eventually, after years of painting directly from nature, I tried to channel the Modernist painters like the Cubists, especially Braque.

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Green Table Still Life With Jug And Zinnias, 32" x 28", Oil On Linen

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Cubbard, 40" x 28", Oil On Linen

EJ: In your email, you wrote that by thinking of one still life setup “through the eyes of other painters I admire,” that you possibly could work for a year with it. Is this because Cubism makes fruitful mysteries? Are you aiming to integrate several views of several objects within a semi-realistic frame or room? Are you enjoying the possibilities of jumble and confusion?

LG: My setups now are often piles of stuff covering most of the table. I’m looking for rhythms: tall–tall–short, thin–wide–thin, little shapes at the top, big shape underneath. The infinite possibilities of composing keep me looking at and rearranging the same setup. The plan is: there is no plan. But there are lots of art books. They influence me as much as the setup. Right now, I have a Picasso book and a Dutch still life book open side by side on a stool next to my painting. It’s like learning how to paint again every time. I don’t want to “know what I’m doing.” I want to be in the deep end trying to keep my head above water.

EJ: The Gross McCleaf website notes: “The nearness, distance, and focus that she chooses for these objects communicates their content. Objects rhyme and resonate with one another. Tension is created, relationships revealed.” Picasso, Braque, and Gris emphasized the space between things as if we could see the forces that hold things together. Is this what interests you in Cubism?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Yellow Table With Teapot, Cabbage And Can Opener, 36" x 38", Oil On Linen

LG: I consider the negative spaces and shadows as much as the things themselves, and that’s why I like Modernist painters. Every part of the image is important: the chair rail on the back wall is as important as the bottle. The pressure is equal everywhere, it’s moving forward, and pushing up against the canvas or picture plane as opposed to pushing back into space like traditional painting.

Generally, I like tension in a painting. For example, I’ll make more realistic objects on a flatter, upturned table to highlight “This Is Painting.” For the Modernists, painting itself is the subject. But frontality and shallow space also characterize Classical and pre-Renaissance painting. I like straddling the two, working between old and new, between the real and imaginary.

EJ: Still Life After Picasso And de Heem could be considered Neo-Cubist, since it presents familiar Cubist subjects: musical instruments, a score, bottles, fruit, interior shadows and surfaces...

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life After Picasso And de Heem, 52" x 69", Oil On Linen

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life with Bottle And Recorder After Picasso, 36" x 30", Oil On Linen

EJ: ...But it seems more decentralized than, for instance, Still Life With Bottle And Recorder After Picasso. The Cubists divided their pictures into quarters that took turns grabbing attention, but here an exterior view upsets the balance. Is this composition based on a particular de Heem painting with a view? 

LG: You could say the composition came from de Heem and the colors and shapes came from Picasso. It was really a response to the contrast between the lush and spatial complexity of de Heem and Picasso’s and Braque’s Cubism, a criticism of Impressionism where the forms of things were discarded to emphasize the “superficial” effects of light. Maybe I’m backing my way into Cubism. I don’t think of individual movements in the early 1900s, I tend to think of all the work from the early twentieth century as Modernism. Everyone was experimenting. I want to do that too.

EJ: Still Life After Picasso And de Heem also recalls Matisse’s interiors; I’m thinking of The Piano Lesson. The stability of the rectangular fragment of landscape lets you abstract the rest of the composition more aggressively. I love the interplay between dark/light intersecting the interplay of curved/straight. Did you work on this painting in sections to prevent it from becoming an organized whole?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life After Van Steenwyck And Picasso, 30" x 32", Oil On Linen

LG: I thought of the whole image as much as possible. This helped me figure out the big divisions and tones. I stopped considering what the “things” were and just saw the lighter side and the darker side, the triangle here and the triangle there. I wanted to play straight geometry against curved shapes. Sometimes I made a list of what I planned to change the next day, so I wouldn’t be overwhelmed. Keeping the whole painting in mind while working on the parts was the hardest part.

EJ: Would you, for instance, start with the Picasso composition and apply the de Heem colors and shapes? Or is that evolving in the wrong direction for you?

LG: I wouldn’t start with Modernism and work backwards from it. I see it as a one-way evolution. Just as I couldn’t write a symphony based on a rap song, I couldn’t go back to the correct drawing from a distorted drawing. I wouldn’t have enough information to do that. I would instead set up a still life and look at it...

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Basket, 28" x 42", Oil On Linen

LG: ...The Modernists were trained in classical painting and drawing. Picasso was a masterful draftsman and traditional painter by the age of twelve since he had to help his father, an artist who was going blind, finish his artwork. Many artists today want to start where the Impressionists ended without the intense training the Impressionists had. It doesn't work that way. The droves of students who went to Provincetown to study with de Kooning after World War II were horrified when he set up a large still life and said they would spend months drawing. He knew what they didn’t: expression comes after you master the basics. There are no shortcuts.

EJ: Do you miss atmosphere, realistic light and grey/beige tonalities of the de Heem in your version that combines the two? Or are you glad to lighten the load of recognizable, historical detail?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life After Van Schooten, 28" x 34", Oil On Linen

LG: Now, after digesting it through a Modernist lens, I’d like to make a direct copy of the de Heem, but it could take me an incredibly long time, it's so large and complicated. After my show, I want to return to more traditional, observational painting and drawing and see what happens. I suspect Modernism’s residue will still be there.

Still life differs from landscape in terms of light and atmosphere. Those things are constantly changing outside, whereas in my studio the light and atmosphere mostly stay the same. This can feel repetitive and may be why I alternate between indoors and out, and between direct and invented painting in the studio.

EJ: As you reorder simplified shapes in your composite of the two painters, what do you struggle with?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Gas Can, 28" x 34", Oil On Linen

LG: What to leave out and what to group together colorwise. I started with a small color study based on the de Heem, but I used different hues. Though, when I enlarged the study onto the big canvas, the effect just wasn’t the same. Looking at the Picasso helped me use a limited palette of primary colors, black and white. Using limited colors changed the intention from realism to having a variety of shapes work together. This meant I had to repaint some things many times to work with surrounding color shapes. Ultimately, I had to let go of the traditional tonal structure and palette of the de Heem. That is when things started to happen.

EJ: Still Life With Fruit And Skull makes a nice contrast between a frontal and overhead Cubist views. You use a frame of broken shapes that surround the pair to echo the interlocking shapes that join them. Did this composition arise in response to a Cubist painting? Or was it a spontaneous invention from what you know and remember about Cubism?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Fruit And Skull, 36" x 42", Oil On Linen

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Still Life With Oil Lamp, 48" x 24", Oil On Linen

LG: I was looking at Still Life with Chicken Bone by Scottish painter Robert MacBryde, who earned the nickname “MacBraque” because he looked at Braque so much. I took color and the table idea from him and mashed it together with my own still life and table. This helped me understand how MacBryde was interpreting what he was seeing.

EJ: While talking about Still Life With Fruit And Skull you say, “It doesn’t help me as much to directly copy a Modernist still life if I don’t know what the painter was actually looking at.” If you sculpted or drew in a 3–D way from flat information, would you like making 2–D shapes feel like objects?

LG: By the quote, I meant that I don’t know what vantage point MacBryde was using, what kind of table it was, what kind of lighting he used or if it was a plain table that he projected a pattern onto. I don’t know the actual colors of the fruit and vegetables since he used an experimental palette. How could I take his work and make a realist painting from it? But I could use his painting to inspire my own setup of fruit and vegetables and paint a realist painting.

EJ: Is interpreting from reality the direction you want to work?

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Yellow Table With Teapot, Cabbage And Can Opener, 36" x 38", Oil On Linen

LG: I definitely want to do this. I think everyone is interpreting when they paint. If I set up a still life and a dozen people painted it, all the paintings would look different because there are a dozen different brains interpreting what they see. An art studio isn’t a school science lab where a dozen people can follow exact procedures and come out with the same results. It’s more like a playground, where you let your intuition and imagination roam.

If Rembrandt and Matisse were painting the same model, the results would be completely different. Rembrandt wasn’t painting in a room with black walls and Matisse’s wife didn’t have a green stripe running down her face. The artists each had unique visions that influenced what they saw. As Thoreau said, “It’s not what you look at that matters, it’s what you see.”

–– Elizabeth Johnson
(elizabethjohnsonart.com)


Edited by Matthew Crain
(@sarcastapics)

March 2023

Art Sync: The Deep End - Conversation With Liz Geiger - Viewing Room - Gross McCleaf Gallery Viewing Room

Orange And Blue Still Life With Sculpture, 40" x 40", Oil On Linen