Conversation with Lydia Panas
by Elizabeth Johnson, edited by Matthew Crain
Conversation with Lydia Panas
by Elizabeth Johnson, edited by Matthew Crain
End of Red Dahlias (2138), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
Studio Image of Gorgeous Discontent Series
Elizabeth Johnson: On your website, you introduce your current photo series All The Dahlias with a quote from William Faulkner:
"Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders."
What does this pinpoint in Dahlias?
Lydia Panas: The quote is from his novel Light in August. Faulkner was getting at the unconscious conflict between what we feel and what we know. Having gone through psychoanalysis, I came to understand how the repressed and painful memories stood in the way of my feeling good. I incorporate this kind of tension between conscious and unconscious feelings in my work. All The Dahlias is about the pleasure of understanding.
EJ: Faulkner seems to be weighing feeling/belief against mind/knowing. Is it vital that we "believe" your photos by entering their realism? What do you hope we will "know"? Is believing and knowing dahlia images a difficult task––and a good photographic challenge––since as symbols of beauty, they can be both shortcuts and/or spurs to further knowledge?
Studio Image of Orange and Cream Dahlias (2037), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
LP: The quote is about the difficulty of facing uncomfortable truths. I came to realize how afraid I was of danger that lurks beneath surface beauty. The flowers in this work are not about flowers. They represent growth and change. I associate the beauty and realism of the images to knowing, to clarity, and to feeling good. I attach darker feelings to the fading flowers.
It’s not an easy process to understand the unconscious, protective walls we build around ourselves. I embrace this discomfort in my work, layering the light, abundant beauty of the dahlias with the darker, fading flowers. Holding on to pleasure is about understanding the darkness as well.
The task of the artist is to speak about the human condition––to help us understand the world, and Faulkner associated the tragedy of the human condition to the “not knowing” ourselves. Considering society today––witness the recent elections both here and abroad––it’s clear that we need some self-reflection.
My work is about the growth that leads to consciousness and awareness and to making good decisions.
EJ: Is All The Dahlias shot looking down into your sink? Did your shooting position arise from throwing flowers away when they were mostly dead, and thinking, "Wow. This is an expressive moment of beauty at the end of its lifespan"? How did you construct your subject? Do you digitally manipulate images?
LP: I shot the dahlias looking down into a wheelbarrow. This year they were super abundant, and I shot them quickly over two months. In past series I would place them in vases in the house and move them to the studio when they began to transform. Because of travel, I was shooting against time. I hoped to take advantage of as many dahlias as I could before the frost, and I cut them fresh and watched them age and build character, adding and subtracting dahlias as I went along. Some of them are floating in water and if they sit for a long time they turn to mush. These images begin to border on the unpleasant. Symbolically, the beautiful sits side by side with the unsettling, like in life.
End of Summer Dahlias (1298), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
EJ: Is All The Dahlias shot looking down into your sink? Did your shooting position arise from throwing flowers away when they were mostly dead, and thinking, "Wow. This is an expressive moment of beauty at the end of its lifespan"? How did you construct your subject? Do you digitally manipulate images?
LP: I shot the dahlias looking down into a wheelbarrow. This year they were super abundant, and I shot them quickly over two months. In past series I would place them in vases in the house and move them to the studio when they began to transform. Because of travel, I was shooting against time. I hoped to take advantage of as many dahlias as I could before the frost, and I cut them fresh and watched them age and build character, adding and subtracting dahlias as I went along. Some of them are floating in water and if they sit for a long time they turn to mush. These images begin to border on the unpleasant. Symbolically, the beautiful sits side by side with the unsettling, like in life.
Pink Dahlias and Pine Needles (1753), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
EJ: The eight prints for this show combine pine needles, reflective water, the blur or shine of the wheelbarrow, and a variety of fresh to dead dahlias. Reflected daylight is limited to very small areas. It seems that layering flowers in a "flatbed picture frame," like an abstract painter, gives you a great deal of creative control to create an internal, personal mood. Did you shoot at a particular time to get saturated color and the right mix of dreaminess and clarity? How did you control light? What technical controls were important for this work?
LP: The process does feel like abstract painting: working with composition, light, and color. I shot this series with a medium format digital camera. Generally, I work with a view camera and large format film. The digital aspect was effective here because I had to work quickly as time was short and I was watching the dahlias day by day, hour by hour as the light changed.
Studio Image of End of Red Dahlias, Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
LP: I photographed them around the corner from my garden, behind a shed. It was a perfect studio. By moving the wheelbarrow just a few feet, I could change the light or simply empty the wheelbarrow and start a new composition. I don’t do much technical manipulation; I just make sure the color is clean. I am more interested in the process, the intuitive act of making the work when I am uncertain of the direction. That’s when I make the connection with the subject.
EJ: In an Eckhaus Gallery interview, you summarize:
"My work is made as a compendium. All the series play off one another. One needs to look at the different projects together to understand where I am coming from regarding relationships, specifically love, trust, closeness and loss."
Two series This Is Pleasure and Gorgeous Discontent segue into All The Dahlias through subject, process, intention, and outcome. You aren't using figures in current work, but I feel figuration through your presence, as both the hand that composes and eye that witnesses. Why the shift away from figures as a subject?
Studio Image of Lydia Panas' Portraiture
LP: I’ve been making portraits since the 1990s and at the moment I don’t feel challenged by portraiture; right now, I’m not sure I have something to add. A lot of portraiture and photography in general looks the same to me and I want to do something different. I have always been interested in connections, and with portraiture the most interesting part was the sustained intimacy with another person––the experience between us and subsequently, the viewer interaction. It’s different from viewing photography in general where you look “at” the subject.
Photographs tend to illustrate a mood or an idea but with some distance. Mine are interactive. When observed closely, a strange discomfort creeps in. A mystifying shift of power from viewer to subject. They commonly leave viewers unsettled about what they have just seen and felt. It mimics the discomfort I felt as a child, when I should have felt love. I think that is their power. With the still lifes and the florals, the complexity and edginess are still apparent but there is more of a distance since viewers are not confronted with the intimacy of a face.
I turned to still life during the pandemic, when there were no models around, and I found a different kind of emotional satisfaction.
Orange and Cream Dahlias (2037), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
LP: I am still interested in the idea of connection; I think I became an artist from a need to connect––with others but mostly with parts of myself. With still life, I expanded my palette and made imagery I hadn’t imagined I could make. I am still feeling the same connection and intimacy, but it’s a different approach than with the portraiture where I am mainly focused on the person.
EJ: In an interview with Emily Beauchamp you say, "I see my portraits as descriptions of relationships. They are always a result of the connection between myself and the person in front of me…I would not categorize my pictures as objective or as a documentation of what or who I am looking at." All The Dahlias seems more subjective. What is scary, exciting and challenging about this series? What does presenting a wide range of beautiful to decaying flowers say about your relationship to them?
End of Summer Dahlias (1318), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 29" x 24" Ed of 5
Studio Image of All The Dahlias Works
LP: I don’t think of this work as being more subjective than the portraits, just a different subject matter. I connect the same way. I experience the same intensity, trying to wrest something super personal from the scene just like I do when working with people, always attempting to say something in my own language. As a bilingual and very visual kid with a confusing childhood, I didn’t feel like either language (Greek or English) was mine. Part of becoming an artist was to look for a language I could identify with. A language that made sense to me and expressed what I was feeling. I found it in speaking through my camera.
I am excited by how this project turned out: abundant and luscious. It happened fluidly and was pleasurable to make. Interestingly, viewers often remark on the parallel threads that run through my different projects and how despite the varied subject matter they are recognizable as mine.
Pink Dahlias and Pine Needles (1743), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
EJ: Do you see 17th- and 18th-century Dutch flower painting, which symbolizes fleeting life, the certainty of death, vanity and humility, coming through your work? Historically, dahlias are associated with devotion, love, beauty, and dignity. With a raft of symbolism connected to dahlias and flowers in general, could one aim of your work be to usurp historic associations with a more aggressive, contemporary feminine aesthetic experience?
LP: I love those old Dutch paintings––the still lifes and the portraiture. I am fascinated by the austere surfaces of those works, the formal qualities, the palette, and the seemingly neutral faces that have so much emotion in them, universal emotions that still speak to something very human. My work touches on the Dutch style, more so in previous series, but speaks from a modern vantage point. Layering contemporary interpretation onto them, my works attempt to defy, refuse, and reevaluate. Old stories are part of who we are, and we need to understand them to move on.
Lydia Panas' Studio Wall
EJ: In previous works you have presented women as embodying their own power. Is Dahlias about the personal empowerment of confronting mortality?
LP: It’s about leaving behind the dark stuff that impedes personal empowerment. Earlier projects were about the patience, the hard work, the process that led to this place of lightness and strength and joy that I never felt before.
EJ: Robert Mapplethorpe's flower photos are erotically charged through association with his nudes and blunt sex portraits. I sense that you consider your previous portraits to be both erotically charged and empowering. I’m curious how you define "erotic"; I’m thinking of it as opposite of Thanatos.
If you believe your portraits are erotic, does All The Dahlias leverage their erotic charge to counter decay and death?
Pink Dahlias and Pine Needles (1749), Limited Edition Signed Archival Pigment Prints, 34" x 45” or 24" x 29”, Editions of 5
LP: My previous work was a lead up to this work––a process of coming to a solid awareness of the difficulties I have been through, how hard I worked, and what I learned. All The Dahlias is brighter and more colorful than previous work, less imbued with discomfort. It is about change and moving away from negative forces. I think of consciousness as erotic. It is pleasure, and I think it is sexy. My work is the opposite of Thanatos: it’s about the drive to live a full life.
––Elizabeth Johnson
(elizabethjohnsonart.com)
edited by Matthew Crain
(@sarcastapics)
February 2025
Lydia Panas Artist Portrait
Lydia Panas: All The Dahlias | February 21 - March 22, 2025
Lydia Panas is a visual artist working with photography and video. A first-generation American, she was raised between Greece and the United States. Panas’ work investigates identity and what lies beneath the surface, exploring the tensions between presence, memory, and emotional depth. Her images are made in the fields, forests, and studio of her family farm in Pennsylvania, a landscape that deeply informs her artistic vision.
Panas' work has been exhibited widely in the U.S. and internationally and is included in the collections of the Brooklyn Museum, the Bronx Museum, the Museum of Fine Arts Houston, Palm Springs Art Museum, and the Museum of Contemporary Photography Chicago, among others. Her work has been published in The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, Hyperallergic, and Photo District News, among others. She has received numerous awards, including repeat invitations to the Taylor Wessing Portrait Prize Exhibit, the Top Fifty Winner for Critical Mass, and two nominations for the Prix Pictet. Panas has held artist residencies at MASS MoCA and the Banff Centre for the Arts and has been a Visiting Artist at the American Academy in Rome.
She holds degrees from Boston College, the School of Visual Arts, and New York University and has published three monographs: The Mark of Abel (Kehrer Verlag 2012), Falling from Grace (Conveyor Arts 2016), and Sleeping Beauty (MW Editions 2021). She divides her time between a farm in Kutztown, Pennsylvania, and New York City.
Lydia Panas' Studio Image of (she didn’t say) LET THEM EAT CAKE and SWEET SMASH SWISH Series